talking to this particular individual, jimmy lee dykes, but is it normal to also bring in acquaintances or friends or family members of the suspect to try to talk some sense into that person? >> from the very first moment that law enforcement showed up on the scene, and it would have been a multiagency hostage negotiation scene, from the sheriff's, police department, fbi, one of the things they do is identify exactly the people you're talking about, and begin to talk to them and assess them for whether or not they can put them on the phone or just advise the situation. >> and where it goes from there. hold on, chris. chris voss is a former fbi hostage negotiator. martin savidge is with us, on the scene in midland city, alabama. does it look like they're getting any closer, the fbi, other federal, local authorities, to coming to those mics and briefing us and what's going on? >> i'd love to say they were, but no, there's no indication.